Tuesday, 11 June 2013

Why I Quit A Christian Biker Club


Several years ago, I was a member of a well-known Christian motorcycle club.

Actually, it didn’t really view itself as a biker club as much as a group of ministry team members to the secular biker community. As a member I wore their colors proudly. But without going into the details, let me simply say that something changed and I felt that I could no longer in good conscience support this para-church and religious biker organization.

Now let’s fast-forward about twelve to fourteen years.

A couple weeks ago I went on a bike ride that brought several hundred bikers together from all around the province. It was an awesome two-day event that I thoroughly enjoyed, despite the deluge of rain on the second day that created for a very wet ride home. While there mingling with the crowd, I saw members of my former bike club, albeit members of a different chapter than the one I belonged to. As I watched them, suddenly it became very apparent again why I quit that biker club. Christian ministry? Hmm.

Not once did I observe them mingling with the other bikers. All I saw was them hanging around only with themselves. I remember thinking, how clique-ish of them! Whenever I saw those colors on that first day, they were only in the company of others wearing the same colors. “This is ministry to the secular biker community,” I asked myself? Christian ministry? Hmm.

A caveat is in order. I noticed that one member of this club did reach out to a non-member … me. Maybe he felt safe doing so, because on my biker vest there are a couple patches that clearly identify me as a Christian. There is also a small pin with the emblem of my former association with his club. Seeing it, he asked me about which chapter I belong to. I informed him that I’m no longer a member, as I no longer wear the colors. The pin, I said, was simply a memento of those days of yesteryear. On hearing that I was no longer a member, but still wearing the pin, he said, “We’ll have to see about getting the boys to remove that pin from you!” Wow! Feeling threatened, I told him he could offer to buy it from me, and I walked away. Christian ministry? Hmm.

Now I said that this happened on the first day, but what about the second day? The second day they were conspicuous by their complete and total absence. It was like they never existed at all. Where were they? Was there no one there who needed to hear the Gospel on that second day of this biker rally? Christian ministry? Hmm.

After the main programed events of the first day ended, many who planned to spend the night at the campsite, myself included, rode into the nearest town on a “beer run.” Whatever Christian bikers were left from this group, once the beer came out, they were gone. The thing is, nobody was obnoxious, rude, or perverted. Yes, a couple people probably had a little too much to drink, but everyone was well behaved. There wasn’t even any litter lying around, as everyone made a concerted effort to keep the place clean. But I guess the sight of beer was too much for some “Christians.” Christian ministry? Hmm.

That evening, after we set up our tents, there was an awesome time around a bonfire. Talk about relaxing. It was beautiful. I mingled with other bikers, who by now obviously knew of my Christian faith (or at least suspected it), shared a couple beers, a few jokes, and made myself approachable. Christian ministry? Hmm.

As I thought about my encounter with my former bike club, I tried to imagine myself as a non-believer, like many of those around me, and wondered if they perceived what I perceived of these “Christian” bikers. What did I perceive? I know this will sound harsh, but all I could think of at that time was, what a bunch of snobs! Why would anyone want what you’re selling? Christian ministry? Hmm.

And now I finally remembered why I quit that Christian biker club. Christian ministry? Hmm. If that’s what it’s all about, thanks, but no thanks.

67 comments:

  1. Great article, thank you for sharing! I was a youth pastor in Indiana for about 10 yrs. I have been doing a full-time ministry to the MMA community in Las Vegas for almost 3 years and it has been a real challenge to figure out how to bridge the gap between that sub-culture/ministry and the traditional church. Sometimes it seems like we have really come a long way. Other times it seems like I spend all my time educating, debating or arguing with pastors/Christians and have no time left for ministry...

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  2. I've observed that groups of all kinds serve the purpose of giving the embers a sense of belonging. I'm glad you have found that sense of belonging in your personal/individual relationship with The Lord. Not all are that confident and comfortable in their relationship with Him for whatever reason. Sometimes because they don't really know Christ, sometimes because they have been taught to believe things about him that are not true, others just never believed that Almighty God could be that accessible and close to animated sapiens made of dirt.

    Most of us are people who need people, preferably people who share our ideologies and interests. I can imagine most of the members of the group that had crosses on their leathers came out of some of the surrounding groups. They were observing those groups in much the same way you were: "look at them. Now I remember why I'm over here and I'm content with them staying over there." Some of the most religious groups are suffering from their own brand of bondage. When someone who knows the freedom of Christ sees them, they are seen as they are; a people group who need to be reached out to with Christ's love and grace.

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  3. My Husband and I have had the chance to be around Bikers as he was one and we became Christians and have been going to same church fo 12 years we are friendly and involed in the church and have not made one friend there not from a lack of trying. But we have been asked to many occasion at our biker friend places They have had beer dope you name it there and every time they offer us pop or coffee when the bonfire gets going somebody always comes and tell us what they need prayer for I say because we do not judge we just love them as Christ loves us....

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    1. We need more of that and less self righteous people

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    2. Amen! Jesus wanted to be with the broken.. the Christian motorcycle group I'm talking about I'm trying to figure out what they do.. they visit certain other motorcycle clubs but leave when beer comes out..I've only sorta met one other member and he is not nice rude matter of fact. This is at church.. I'm trying to figure out why I have to please him. I only serve one God and it's not this person.. I'm thankful for you that serve everyone..

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    3. I tried getting to know them, pompous egomaniacs and judgmental, my wife was a drug addict put me threw 3yrs of hell, she let me for another man, hurting in my heart I reached out to a elder of the club, he said I did far worse then she to me,I asked how? He said I had female friends on Facebook , he said that was worse then her leaving me for another man. I will never forget that! Fuck fake ass Christian biker clubs, bunch of pussys not tough enough to be 1%ers, and I will never go to any man whom claims Jesus with my heart pain,

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  4. Biker for you....christian rocker...or metalhead...or punk rocker...or whatever for me. My conclusion is that we were trying so hard to convince the world that we could follow Jesus without being lame. We wanted to hang on to the edgy coolness of fad and cliques, all in the name of Jesus, using the excuse of "reaching lost souls for Christ." In our songs there were Christian lyrics, even Bible verses. We were trying way too hard and were only fooling ourselves. I am SO glad I got out of that malady.

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    1. I was a memeber of a patched so called christian club. It was mpre like a legalistic cult. Yr imposed a set of rules you cannot question. You compromise Gods rules for a bunch of man made rules. There's alot of narcissism in biker clubs. Christian are no different. Either you influence a culture or yr influenced by a culture. When you walk away yr treated like a leper. So glad I left. Either you have faith or unbelief. There ain't no neutral ground. ( Dylan) christian so calles bike ministry with a nack patch is full of hypocrisy. The patch is worshipped and all that goes with that ideology more than the God they say they represent.

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  5. I know some people in this "Christian biker club". The article hits the nail on the head. There again, we see the "exclusive" way of thinking and living. When Jesus went out to speak with people, to whom did He go? He ate with "publicans and sinners". If you're in a so called "ministry" the job at hand is to reach out, in LOVE to the hurt and lost, not cloister one's self away from them. An analogy: don't be afraid to get your hands dirty.

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  6. I like what you have to say in your article. I find the same think is true in many 'christian' ministries. I have been on the hardcore side of bike clubs, having spent 5 years in prison) and i have been on the side of ministries....because I am a christian. I understand both worlds very well, but I do shy away from the christian ministries that aren't so christian after all. I am an LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) member and run a small non profit ministry myself these days, helping the homeless, the drug addict, the alcoholic, the prostitute, the thieves, drug dealers, and all the rest of those sinners.....people just like me....people in need of Gods grace and Gods Gospel, just like me.

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    1. Amen thankm yoi for being the help for us sinners because we need it and God needs us

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  7. Thank you for this post. I remember a Christian biker who spoke at our church years ago, and he seemed to be just that--one who had come a long way and was reaching out to those still caught up in a destructive lifestyle. Different from the ones you knew.

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    1. Margaret, many are different than the ones I knew (thankfully).

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  8. You were with the wrong Christian biker group. Our Christian M/M chapter just returned from a gathering at a 1%er Clubhouse. We go to meets, parties, poker runs, etc... almost all secular.

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    1. You're probably right, friend. I was picking on one particular group and certainly not all of them. Peace :)

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  9. I too left the Christian Bike Club. I was heavily involved in both local and state organizations. I left because of 2 things I saw. First, nobody seemed to want to do anything but set up a tract table and popup at events, then sit in the shade and gripe about the loud music, drunks and scantily clad girls. No mingling, no compassion or comeradarie at all. The second was that I noticed that as long as members agreed completely with leadership or didn't need any special attention everything was fine. as soon as someone had trouble or had a different take on how things should be done brotherhood no longer existed for them. I was saved while involved in the hardcore life and knew that the guys and ladies we were supposed to be reaching out to knew what real brotherhood looked like and they sure weren't seeing it from us.

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    1. Sounds like a similar experience. Peace :)

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    2. Sounds like they were acting like Southern Baptists. At least that's how a number of the CB dudes acted when I was around. One of the things that annoyed me was their attitude towards non members. In other words, if you're a non member, sit down and shut up. It's like a non member has no benefits or rights - especially when it comes to purchasing their products. That's a riot. As just one example, members don't have to pay anything for their Bible packs, but a "non member" does. Most items, such as caps, T shirts, and patches are for them only - while a non member "pee on" can buy only a pin or something - and even "that" doesn't have the logo on it. In the group I was in, it's like if you're not a full patch member, you're nothing. What is this, a Ministry, or a Christian version of a 1%'er MC? Obviously the latter. So, I kicked them to the curb. Good riddance. And they didn't even follow up to see where I was or why I stopped attending their meetings either. No skin off my nose. They just proved my point behind my decision.

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  10. I quit when I saw more Christians becoming biker than bikers becoming Christians.

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  11. I have been a member for many years and sadly, I am beginning to see the same things you described so I amped up my personal ministry and the president felt it was in conflict of the focus of the chaptet, whatever that means. I didn't think proclaiming the Word was a conflict of interest to any ministry. I have seen the same treatment amongst other members as well. Being cited for being too enthusiastic in their witness because they were "new Christians". REALLY? I guess it wasn't being done the CMA way. Anyway, I am seriously contemplating continuing with my own ministry. You don't need a backpatch to witness from you motorcycle. Thanks for letting me vent.

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  12. I live in Canada and ride a Harley. I am also single, female and an ordained minister. Imagine my surprise recently when I met a Christian male in a church I was visiting who had joined a Christian biker "club" and, when I said, I'd like to join too, was told me they don't accept women!!! Why wouldn't they accept me? I put my name the ownership so I can ride without "providing services". I'm still looking for one to join. We have CMA, ICBA, HSMM in my town. I use my bike for ministry as it makes me approachable. Not sure if I want to join a Christian motorcycle ministry or a secular club where I can minister from "within" by just being present. I, too, notice exactly what the guy posting above has said.

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    1. Hey Anonymous, I'm "Hands" from the Thunder Bay chapter of Bikers for Christ M/M. We're a Christian ministry, not an MC; with no desire to be one! Our sisters are full-patch members and partners in ministry. Feel free to PM me at ahannay71@gmail.com; I could get you some contact numbers in whatever region of the country you reside. We're spread out pretty far on this side of the border! We've also got a Facebook page...Thunder Bay BFC if you'd like to check us out from afar! Blessings in your search!

      Good article Will, praise Him for your strong convictions!
      Grace and Peace.

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    2. I have heard of your story, and have been troubled by it yes, we are from the same town)... email me at vblacky@mnsi.net
      Blacky

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    3. I know that HSMM accepts women as members.

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    4. My name is Shellie Creasy and I am the international women's leader for the HSMM. Feel free to contact me at ladysainthsmm@yahoo.com if you have questions regarding women in this ministry. To the gentleman who wrote this article, I am sorry that your experience was such. Sadly, that happens in all churches, all ministries...not just M/M. Articles with a general sweep like this really hurt those of us who are doing the things that you said these weren't. It's discouraging to those that really ARE about the Fathers business. Just my thoughts. Be blessed.

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  13. What good is a title in the Kingdom of God. (ordained minister) All believers in Christ the Lord are in the brotherhood of priests. All means all, women included. Christian "whatever" clubs, (including institutional churches) are usually just as worldly if not more as any "secular" club. In my opinion you would better serve the Kingdom in the world, not in some type of wannabe christian club.

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  14. Our human nature is to hang with those like us and there's nothing wrong with that. However, there's a difference between Christian fellowship (How's that for a churchy word?) and showing bikers Jesus. Ministering to those who need to see Jesus in us means getting to know people, being authentic, making friends with them and being in circles that look nothing like church. There are some successful clubs & chapters out there. I would suspect they are fighting these tendencies constantly to stay focused on their mission and to be authentic. Good post Will.

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  15. As a Christian with a tattered past I recently reached out to an MC group not for the riding but for the brotherhood and fellowship. After being told that I was welcome at a prayer meeting, I never heard from them again. If that's how Jesus would be, maybe I should leave the faith?

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    1. most are just cults that ride motors.they judge before they understand others.you can't make a deal with the devil and say you're serving the LORD. the true christian is the one who helps without letting anyone know that they are christian. relationship, not religion is the only way to the kingdom.

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  16. This is a difficult topic to tackle, as the problematic issues cited have their roots in the dynamics of a group becoming an organization, as well as general human tendencies.
    For example, a group of people becoming an organization may result in a lot of jostling for position and influence, or some folks trying to dominate and dictate to the others. Although some see this as regular leadership, I call it Carnality because the focus there is upon the Self, not on God. Christ set some very clear examples of leadership through serving, caring, praying for and with people, and Yes, mingling with unbelievers.
    As for the human tendencies, we all want a sense of belonging and significance, and a biker club can bring a lot of that for a rider. But let's remember that we first belong to Christ, and our significance lies in him dying for us--NOT because we have the coolest ride, the quickest intellect, or are the baddest dudes.
    Organizations generally are prone to becoming ingrown, and may end up in a myopia of "Our Way Only" kind of perspective. Pray that you will be led by the Holy Spirit, ask God to participate in your club, and He will. Bring the Lord's ways and truth, to a darkened world. It can be done, I believe.

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  17. My husband and I were involved with a Motorcycle Ministry and it was the same thing, everybody stood together at events and talked with each other, my husband was the only one that went and mingled with the unsaved crowd and witnessed and talked to people it was very frustrating to see all the Christians just hung out together. Now we are in a different group yesterday we went for a ride talked to some folks from a tour bus they were from China, talked about the Lord, then we had to split up at Tim Hortons we stood in the parking lot in a circle and prayed it was amazing many folks were watching some smiling. In this group everybody witnesses as the Holy Spirit leads we look for opps to talk to strangers while we are out that is what the Lord did, Amen....so this group is so much different then the first we were involved in. Love it! To God be the glory! It is all about sharing the Gospel with a lost world!

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    1. What group are you with now?

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    2. yes, what group are you in now?

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  18. Sadly enough I have experienced what you describe in the article. Even more grievous is that I have experienced it in most churches. We, Christians, have a lot to learn from secular culture about loving and not judging others.

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  19. This article is just as bad as the people it's complaining about. Christian? Hmm.

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  20. I've been hanging with a group from a popular and probably most famous of the Christian Biker Ministries. They guys have a church that has a wide respect among the 1%ers and even have seen Outlaws and other members come to the services. They also go against the grain of some I've seen in written about the group by fellowship inch with Bikers for Christ, Covenant, Seed of Abraham, and a few independent church MMs. The struggle is getting younger bikers involved and interested in evangelizing to the biker community. The town they're based in has a number of riders and my church is downtown and grabbing a cup of coffee some Sundays I'll see bikes lined up at the local mom and pop breakfast joints. They've even planted a biker church a few towns over that meets on Fridays and is heavily active in reaching bikers too. 1%ers even come out to their services feeling welcomed and not outcasts

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    1. I think I might have misjudged somewhat in some of my posts, I do have a case of the @$$ against some churches in this area, and i happened along this forum while thinking about that group and that president that was posing as some spiritual giant/gangster combo that decided to beat up a woman that finally got smart smart enough to kick him out, but I am sure that just like the churches on the corner, on every corner in this county, you might be able to find a real one if you got a full tank of gas.

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  21. Question: Can you make a deal with the Devil and say you are serving the LORD?

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  22. Great article! What a reminder that Jesus spent his time with tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. and he told his disciples to go after the so called secular people. Jesus spent less time with religious people. Good for you in being authentic in your faith.

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  23. I was part of the CMA from 2007 to Jan 2015..I came out of the old biker life style,,I gave my life to the Lord in 2003 and thought it would be great being part of a Christian bike group.. I served as a president for 2 years and a chaplin for 1, The sad part was they more less hung around each other at events,,and as each years passed it got to be more and more about the back patch and CMA and less about Jesus...The straw broke for me the day I had a Christian flag sewed on my vest instead of my Countrys flag ( Putting Jesus first ) and then having a area rep tell me to take the Christian flag off my vest because it was not part of there dress code..... Dress code ??? I said later all...I can be a Christian biker without a vest or a club... Maybe even a better one

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    1. Everything you said is also what I saw. It's a club, not a ministry.

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  24. I completely understand where you coming from. For I was a member of a well know Christian motorcycle ministry, which I longer consider myself a member, for over 10 years. And during that years I participated in this ministry did see much Jesus there. Only true- believer in Christ Jesus beware, a name is only a name.
    God bless, Nelson C.

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  25. I completely understand where you are coming from. For I was a member of a well known Christian motorcycle ministry for the 10 years. While I was part of that ministry I did not see much of Jesus there.All riders for the Lord beware, a namevis only a name.
    God bless, Nelson C.

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  26. Well said. I spent 5 yrs wearing a patch that i recently laid down for much the same reasons you pointed out. You can not minister to people if you are afraid of getting some on you. The kicker is they feel it. Smell that condescension like a burnt clutch. And why would they want any of that.

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    1. Truly said..."getting some on you." We become Christians and forget that we are human beings but somehow have become angels of heaven. God Loves people. We all participated in bad things in the past, don't you remember? But now your are too saintly to associate with regular people? What happened to us?

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  27. I am with CMA and can see some of what you say here, but if you don't like it change it. It is what you make of it. To condemn an organization because of a couple of bad experiences is wrong and seems more non-christian than Christian. I have been to Laconia a number of times and there is a large CMA presence there and I have to say I have never seen them hang out in large groups. You would see 2 perhaps 3 walking around together having conversations with people, exactly what we are to do. In the end we just need to love on each other and put differences aside.

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  28. The cause of all of the above is a heart problem. People that do not have a correct theology, a correct view of what we are. We are sinners that only by the Grace of God are not living a totally depraved life. We are no better than the worst of sinners (as the Apostle Paul wrote of himself). All people are to be treated with dignity, love a respect as they are created in God's image. Secondly, there is the problem of two kingdom theology where we believe that there can still be the Christian / secular divide. If you are a Christian you must be salt and light everywhere, to everyone at all times. This is true whether you are a biker, tattoo artist, piano player or soccer mom. You are a Christian that happens to be one of these things. You are a Christian first, no matter your geographical location. Thirdly, there are a lot of legalistic interpositions from pharisaical. Lastly, many are trying to straddle the fence where there is none. You cannot serve two masters. Christ is King, this is His world, we form a part of His Kingdom and have been order to go to the nations - all of them. We are not called to be separated physically but spiritually. We are to live among them without being contaminated by them. We are to reflect His glory and not seek our own.

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  29. The best ministry I have had is over a beer! http://prophetsMC.org

    The guys above preaching their beliefs should not be bikers.

    I always hang out with the 1% ers.

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  30. This is very close to My heart.

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  31. I appreciate your article. I came from the dark side of the motorcycle world. Actually I came from the dark side of the world and it happened that I rode a bike with a group of guys. I am an alcoholic and many of my comrades were junkies. I am confident that many who have been saved by God's grace from the MC world have some type of addiction. So being in the presence of Christians drinking or using is not a good idea. What I was looking for before I got saved was something different, not something that resembles as closely as possible the life I was already in and that was not working out so hot. To that point I would like to offer a different perspective/point of view. When a non-believer who is truly searching for answers sees a person who claims to be a Christian partaking in the same activities that he is, it is interpreted as hypocritical. I am so unclear how Christians got the impression that, in order to attract the non -believer, we must act as much like them as possible.? I had already mastered that walk of life and wanted to know if there was anything better. If your only answer is, see, our life is not that much different than yours, I was not interested. Conversely, if I saw you riding and at a campfire and you were willing to talk to me, and you were not using or drinking and still having a good time, that would have peaked my interest. Jesus was among the sinners but was never recorded as living like them or trying to pull them in with a lifestyle that was like theirs. The message from Jesus is, I love you and want to save you from eternal death, but it will cost you everything! Your life will no longer be yours. It was bought for a price. I expect you to be completely different in every way. The world needs to see the difference I have made in you. Some will be attracted and others will reject you just as they did me. Do not conform to this world but be set apart. I believe our goal should be to look as different from the world as possible not as much like the world as we can. I agree that those in the club you referred too should have been mingling about for sure. But I would challenge you brother on the alcohol. You certainly may have the freedom to drink and I am not disagreeing with that, but if you cause a brother to stumble..? God speaks directly to that one.

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  32. I am not a biker. I have a couple of friends who are in biker Christian clubs, that's what drew me to this. I am a believer saved out of a harsh life style. I have a need for fellowship with people who believe like I do. The Bible says not to forsake fellowship with believers. I find more true believers in fellowships like AA than in church. I need the "iron sharpens iron" fellowship that only comes with true believers. I haven't found a church that meets that need. I also involve myself in other out reach ministry with un-believers. Seperately. I need all the "one another" stuff that fellowship with believers offers, encouragement, edification, prayer, etc. If I were a biker, I would really appreciate that fellowship with true believers. It's getting harder and harder to find true believers, so when you can find it, that fellowship is sweeter and sweeter. So often I find myself in fellowship with people who I think are true believers then find out they really don't believe what the Bible says about this or that, it's really disappointing. Recently we had a family from another state come to visit for a week, camped in our yard. The fellowship was great. I believe the Bible completely, and so do they! It was greatly encouraging and uplifting. I think as the time grows near that kind of fellowship will become more dear and sweet, and rare. And it's so necessary in the life of a believer. So very rare! Others are drawn to the love we have as believers for one another, giving natural opportunities for ministry. There is no greater JOY than leading someone to Faith in Jesus Christ. If we are willing, He will use us to minister to others.

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    1. I agree with a statement of yours that really stands out. You said, "I need the "iron sharpens iron" fellowship that only comes with true believers. I haven't found a church that meets that need." I totally agree. Many churches don't know anything about fellowship. They think that it's something to be done at "church only" and on "Sundays only" but not anywhere else or on any other day. There's little to no accountability. One pastor felt it more important to go a motorcycle ride with his buddies than to talk to me when I had a serious situation. The man wasn't even going on a ministry run. He was just going out to play with his buddies on a clear Summer day. A number of churches and ministers don't know anything about fellowship, hospitality, accountability and iron sharpening iron. I lost several church friends after I left their church I attended because it wasn't spiritually building me up. The church, people and formats were all bone dry. There was little to no life there and I wasn't the only one who saw that. Many people also saw it and left that church. However, some of my friends more often than not were "comfortably numb" by that point in that church and obviously ignorant to what was really going on around them. Yet I wasn't ignorant. And I wasn't about to starve myself in a church which dispensed low grade generic food at best. So I, like many others, left but unfortunately and sadly it cost me some friends in the process. It even cost me a relationship with a sister in the Lord. It was a peaceful yet emotionally painful split as my girlfriend didn't want to date me anymore because I chose to leave a cold, formal and lifeless church. I pray for that sister though and wish her well in whatever the Lord provides to her. If such a church environment works for that sister, great! But it doesn't work for me. No way will I drink a cup of sand from a dry well. Some church goers like to drink sand, but I don't. What's worse with many in the church culture is when a person complains and explains the discrepancies of these church bodies, as well as why they left, the complainer is most often made out to be the one with the problem. This is WRONG. Some churches need to quit running from responsibility for once. They need to realize that maybe it is THEY who have the problem - not the person who is complaining and leaving. Denial, as well as ignorance, are two very dangerous things in the Bible and numbers of churches today simply don't get that.

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    2. I met a man with a Christian motorcycle group I can say the members I've met are not nice, I don't have to prove myself to anyone except God.. I've been broken I know God redeemed me.. I would rather walk with the sinners then a bunch of so called men who only love a certain percent.. being with sinners others brothers and sisters are to love them as Jesus did.. however this so called brotherhood is just that among themselves. I see now why thier not fully trusted themselves judge ye not you will be judged

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  33. CMA is just that... It's a Christian Motorcycle Association, not an MC or Motorcycle Club. MMS are Motorcycle Ministries not an MC. There are many misconceptions about the difference, but the difference is quite clear. An MC is a motorcycle club.At an MC you don't just buy your patch and you're in. You support the club for awhile. Then your asked to be a Hangaround then your moved up to a Prospect. Each of these is different but then again yet the same because you're not a member yet you're working to become a prospective member. Learning the MC lifestyle, learning MC protocol, learning MC Traditions, learning about the men in the club your prospecting for, learning, learning, learning and learning. I've met many men that want to join an MC because they want Brotherhood and accountability. Until they're held accountable by their brothers, until they're held accountable PERIOD. ACCOUNTABILITY ISN'T WHEN IT'S COMFORTABLE, ACCOUNTABILITY ISN'T WHEN IT'S CONVENIENT, ACCOUNTABILITY ISN'T WHEN IT'S JUST FUN OR JUST BECAUSE I WILL RODAY BUT NOT TOMORROW. That's not accountability that's always convenience. Accountability is scraping your brother up off the street after he's had a bad accident. Accountability Is Standing Tall when you've made a mistake and accept responsibility. Accountability is getting up at 2 a.m. and driving 400 miles because your bro bike broke down and your willing to go pick it up. Accountability = responsibility. Accountability isn't always comfortable accountability is who you are from your heart PERIOD. BMC life is not for everybody and it's even harder to be a Christian MC. A Christian MC is out there with the one percenters, a Christian MC is out there standing for God and the trenches. A Christian MC is out there to support all MCs. A Christian MC does not judge nor condemn. A Christian MC cries when you cry, laughs when you laugh, rejoices when you rejoice, and pics your ass up when you fall down. You choose to leave the MC the MC doesn't leave you PERIOD. The MC life is not for everyone. How many Christians do you see out there that only Minister when they're at church. How many Christians do you know only talk about Grace and forgiveness but when they leave the church all's forgotten. A Christian Ministry is the mission field outside the doors of the church and inside the hearts of men. I go to rallies smackdown's throwdowns and club events and I see men broken, scared, beaten, rejected, and the list goes on. If you don't like what you see be the change that you want others to see. I am becoming part of a Christian MC. I am earning my right to talk. Right now I'm earning my right to Listen by making myself available to my full patches listening to what they have to say following their instructions. The Christian MC that I'm part of does not tear me down instructs me challenges me and then Builds Me Up. Once in awhile I have to do some work. It might be push-ups, do the dishes, clean the bathroom, polish a full patches shoes, support my full patch by making sure his wife is safe, watch the door while my full-patch goes to the bathroom, follow a senior member of the MC to make sure they're okay. This is called protocol and if you do not follow protocol the 1% world will not talk to you ever. You don't have to drink, do drugs or participate in any debauchery to hang around 1% clubs. I've had many 1% members of other MCS come to me and say you know I'm a Christian right but I don't think the things that I've done in my life God can forgive me. Now I just turned my right to talk because I listened first!

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  34. I agree with much said on here. I am a member of a mm and often my chapter is seen hanging together waiting to be spoken too. I.. as a woman.. who used to ride with "real bikers" before have no issue talking with anyone and usually find people to talk with. I have been open to whatever discussion the bikers bring up... And I allow God through the Holy Spirit to lead me in what to say and how to respond. This has worked in my experience in getting bikers and others seen as "hard core" to be open to listening to testimony and to God's word. However, because I am a woman my mm group no longer wants me ministering to these people (mostly men)... Unless I have a male Christian with me. I don't always have someone who is available with this... I understand my group is trying to be protective and safe.. but I want to follow the Holy Spirit and bring people to God. I am currently praying for God to help me be able to submit to my groups expectations for females while also providing a way to fulfill the Spirit led desire to witness in the trenches.. which are mostly men. Please note that this attempt to submit to anything "organized" is new to me and proof I am trying to change if it is God's will. However, I also keep getting messages and prophecy about harvesting in the fields... And I don't want to not go and witness if the Spirit is moving me to do so. Let it be known also.. I have no desire to be an authority over any I witness to.. my intent is to teach them about God, help save them, pray for them, bless thier rides, etc.. and show them where they can go to be fed if they so desire. Advice and prayers gladly accepted.

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    1. I think you are way too much of a woman and way too much value as a woman of God to let a bunch of wannabe one percenters dictate when the Holy Spirit is going to use you, whether they be a "mm" or a "church" you need to get out of there and let the Lord lead you to people that are not too religious or too scared to be what they really want to be.

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  35. I agree with much of what has been said. I am part of a biker mm. As a woman who used to ride with " real bikers" .. I have no problem socializing with anyone and I have a heart for 1%ers. I have witnessed many times over the years.. but recently my mm has brought issue with me as I am a woman ministering to men. Currently, I am submitting and trying to be faithful to my calling to witness and harvest as a laborer in the field.. by having a couple or a single man witness with me.. but this is not always available. I am concerned because I do not want to grieve the Holy Spirit by not listening to my call.. but I also respect my mm group and as a woman who does understand "biker culture" I feel a desire to submit to thier authority as a witness. I don't generally submit to any organized authority other than laws and so forth.. ecspecially if I am not in clear agreement with them. I do understand the mm group is trying to be protective of me and of appearances.. but I also know I am doing nothing wrong and my heart's desire I'd saving souls for Christ. I need advice in regard to this.. because I am still getting prophecy and word to teach and witness... And the field I am called to is 99% men. The more I pray about it.. the more I feel called. Currently, I am praying for a male counterpart to aid me .. so I can be submitted to the expectations of my mm group and fulfill my calling. Any Holy Spirit filled advice and/ or prayer is welcomed. Thank you. Perhaps.. this type of thing is why some people from mm groups are not ministering as effectively as some of us wish though.. just a thought. Perhaps.. they are being protective of some bylaw we are unaware of?

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  36. I was a Hang Around at this one Christian motorcycle club in Canada. I went to one chapter that was a bit of a joke. Without going into details, I left the club and had no interest in becoming a member. One of the chief turnoffs was that the members enjoyed ALL of the perks of their patches, books, caps, pins - while a "hang around" got nothing. You couldn't get a little patch or cap with their logo on it unless you were a member!! What is this?? Outlaw motorcycle clubs act that way. But the non member is the guy on the "outside of the store looking in" and with his nose pressed against the glass - watching all of the "members" play and enjoy all of their products. What a joke. Even the procedure behind their little Biker Bibles were a joke. What I mean by that is if you're a member, you can get them for free. But if you're not a member, you have to buy the books. It pissed me off royally on top of some other things they did which eventually made me kick them to the curb. They're a "club" alright - but NOT a ministry.

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  37. After spending 6 months hanging-out with a Chapter I was voted in. I had reservations and should have known I was being prompted by The Holy Spirit. Two weeks after patching up a club "brother" out of his brokenness falsely accused me, I attempted resolution but all he wanted was a win. He demanded I answer to the entire club at our next meeting. I had nothing to answer for, even so I apologized to him only to receive more hostility. Seems this "club" is more biker than Christian.

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  39. Judging from my experiences in life, I would venture a guess that there are probably as many or more genuine Christian bikers that are one percenters as there are in the Christian biker clubs, just like there are probably as many or more Christians in the bar on the corner as there are in the church on the other corner.

    I know for certain, as far as passing judgment on the one percenters, aas profiling them seems to be one of the few that it is politically correct to profile them, that I have been on construction jobs where there you could hook up with as much meth and guns and hookers right there on the jobsite among the crew members as you could in a biker bar that was home to two one percenter clubs at the time, that is a fact, there are all sorts of people in all sorts of organizations, I have lived long enough to find that out.

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  40. All I can say at the moment about this world we live in today is that it is as decrepit as it was; if not worse; when Jesus walked the earth in the flesh.

    I’m not sure that too many people understand these days what ministry really is. Jesus did not come into this world to hang out with the people of the church. He came here and spent time WITH the sinners spreading the good word which is what too many of us these days are cowards over. We see somebody drink beer and instantly judge. We see somebody smoke and instantly distance ourselves. We see sin in others and run without turning back.

    Did Jesus turn his back on the prostitute at the well? No. He told the Pharisees that whoever was without sin himself to cast the first stone. We are here to spread the word. Not judge people. If you find yourself judging anyone, you are just like a Pharisee of the old days.

    Just because somebody sins, it doesn’t mean you have to agree with this sin that they are at fault with. As disciples, we should be there for one another and those less fortunate. Spreading the good word trying to save as many souls as we can.

    I understand very clearly where the writer of this original article is coming from. Churches these days are not accepting gays into the congregation simply because they are gay! This is like Christ walking down the street and telling every sinner that God’s word is not for him or her. I don’t feel in my heart it is right to be gay because God specifically talks about it in the Bible along with many other things. Does it mean I HAVE to be gay myself to minister to him/her??? NO!

    We are all sinful in nature. I wish there was a way I was able to talk to the original poster for this as I myself have many questions in search of Christian motorcycle club. I myself would not want to be part of an organization that is hypocritical. Thanks for the post!

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